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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

>>>I'm sure if there is an anti-christ, he'll raise from Iran. The "Christian right" is the best friend Israel has>>>

With friends like those, and the apartheid regime of the past South Africa, you really have to wonder! Who's to say that even if the anti-Christ does come from Iran, he won't have come from Israel or the US before that: "Got to be good looking 'cause he's so hard to see...Come together right now over me."



>>Militant Islam is not a response to our "tyranny" they define tyranny as ANY sytem not their own...HELLO!!! >>>

Right but the problem is who does the defining. I awoke to a realization once when I noticed that 3 Jewish people were discussing the future of Palestine on a network news show. How could they think they could have an earnest conversation without a representative Palestinian? I then wondered why I never noticed any of this.

In a similar way I had to be told blankly that the reason they sent the teacher into space over the objection of NASA scientists was that Reagan was supposed to talk to her during his State of the Union talk and they delayed of already too much.

I do think that the US is more "Muslim" than Muslim countries in terms of normative Islam's views of religious tolorance and freedom. But that doesn't mean they hate us because of our freedom! Have you heard of the World Bank, the IMF, the Pentagon, Hollywood? Pacino's main speech in ‘Devil’s Advocate’ was spot on.



>>>The Islamofacists...have direct connections to Adolph and the pit of hell/pure evil. They have an agenda of world dominance. >>>

Yes you do have to demonize and dehumanize your enemy before you commit atrocities. Unfortunately for the good people of the US, our stated 'defense' strategy is full spectrum dominance, or total information and domination.

If you want a balanced view of the main wingnut factions check out 'The Power Of Nightmares' on Archive.org or on Youtube and the others. 'They' (and They Live, those Sutherland/Shrub-type Puppet Masters) refused to listen to my aunts and uncles on Vietnam, and since have taken this country and to the world to a bucketload of trouble. The movie Syriana isn't perfect but I couldn't help but to wonder why, since the 60s esp, the establishment have put barriers to change that are required for peace and even the survival of humans.

Garcia said sure save the rainforests, and it seems by extension all the souls that will listen, but as he said it's a "sick game." If you guys are angry with God for giving the Arabs and Muslims most of the oil, ask God for something better. But it's not OUR oil.

There's dream you can still believe, and I wish it for you.


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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

"Yes you do have to demonize and dehumanize your enemy before you commit atrocities"
Which the Islamofacists do all too well! "Infidels, hated Jews" Their hatred and evil do dehumanize them-great point, spaced!
I don't even think the JapaneseShinto extremists of WW2, would use belt bombs to murder innocent men, women & children. Indeed, those types are subhuman scum.

Ever see the WW2 cartoons we had of the evil(Jew killing)Germans and bucktoothed Japs? (as they were refered to then) to make them the focus of our contempt. They earned it!
The cartoons were great to galvanize the war effort and such cartoons of the present day's Natzi's would be excellent now. They are fighting for NO ONES freedom, unless it's their warped freedom of an Islamic world.
They practice religious intolerance and are evil scum. Do you believe good and evil are simply religious terms? If so, you are a spaced dumbass and a tool of the evil you deny. But I know you're more intelligent than that. I know first hand how "tolerent" the Hammas/Hezbollah nuthugger demonstrators are in San Francisco. True peace brother!

Semper fi ! http://www.protestwarrior.com/



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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad nazis?

Islamofacists? Is there some place where I can pick up the list of GPO talking points? Being a witting tool of propaganda is short sighted scarlet. The tighter you squeeze, the more it will slip through your hands.

Sadly, nazis of all stripes are human. Maybe when my turn comes I will have guessed the difference of heaven from hell, or a smile from a veil.

This post was modified by Spaced on 2006-08-15 19:46:26

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at all nazis?

i've used that correct term for 3 years now. Study the link between Natzi Germany and the Jihadists.
you've been hand fed by hate amerika yahoo's, prof's with an anti-amerikan agenda and by self-hate. I am proud to be an American with it's freedom's and liberty. A lot of the "world" is plain jealous and that's a fact.
We have evolved while they(Jihadists) swim in de-evolution.

Wave that flag, wave it wide and high.
Summer time done, come and gone my oh my

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 14, 2006 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused by idiots?

>>A lot of the "world" is plain jealous and that's a fact.
We have evolved while they(Jihadists) swim in de-evolution. >>

Have you no shame? That's right slowly enter the trap of propaganda and lies. Your can try to appease demons all you want, but every dog has his day. I'd rather live in a graceful empire in slow decline than in the hell police state both the "Jihadists" and the neocon/christian-right axis want.

Someday you won't have any good people left, then go ahead, die happily ever after. When the times comes, you'll know that most people -- and Muslims are people -- don't want war. God willing, I ain't gonna be treated thata way.

Now, which country and countries builds most of the weapons in the world and sells them to their tyrannical puppets?

Which country has the biggest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction? Has a bigger military budget than just about the rest of the world combined? Uses the lion's share of the world's resources? Has citizens that are hoodwinked by desire and fear so that the spider sucks the life right out of their reserves?

Which country has foolish citizens that think they're living in a free paradise but don't even have fair elections? Summertime done come and gone alright. I'm sorry but fire is the devil's only friend because he won't be a friend.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused by idiots?

are you fuckin serious??? go live in france you anti-american liberal loser. you have no right to be here with those comments. we are the greatest country in the world. nuclear and weapon stockpiles?? - damn strait - that is the only thing allowing you to type on this forum. be thankful for what you have or leave!!!!! don't give me those pathetic gd lyrics if you don't love america and all that it stands for. you have no clue my dear friend - no clue - you need to leave us.
you have to be the most clueless person i have had a discussion with on this forum. you are either under the age of 20 or just a plain moron. live in the real world my friend.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 14, 2006 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused?

>>>you are either under the age of 20 or just a plain moron.>>>

One way or another...I gotta get a life.

Nuclear weapons allow me to post on this forum? God, no wonder Grateful Dead is just the Dead. I had come back to moderate my comments, but your comments in another post indicate strongly that there's a seal over the eye of your heart:

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: August 15, 2006 03:44:26am
"Alhtough, as long as this country is 50+ percent white caucasion - i will go for it."

I'm not sure if there's an antidote for zombie racism or even if you went to shows. HA, is this all you have: "don't give me those pathetic gd lyrics."

You could be a paid agent to monitor and act as a provacateur. Your only response, "greatest country in the world" proves nothing except an inability to deal with this factual reality. I was born here from generations of "white" people born here and don't want to see it completely ruined by willful cretins.

Many see the latest Israeli actions as a neocon plan to save their investment in the GOP. Try "Bush's Belief in a Worldwide Islamist Conspiracy is Foolish and Dangerous" by Max Hastings at www.commondreams.org or the latest on 'prepping' for Iran before Bush leaves office from Seymour Hersh at www.newyorker.com. Democracy Now! already has Hersh's reaction to the White House response.


My GD experience was like a table spread with food from heaven -- what a trip -- and it is only a fool who can deny grace and risk wrath. See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly: do you think Babylon is in Iraq?!


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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

excellent! Churchill had to face a lot of Natzi appeasement-

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 14, 2006 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

This whole political thread gets a big WTF from yours truly. I am, however, pleased at the political diversity shown among the posters. I offer another quote, attributed to Churchill that might offer some insight.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

I would be over 30. Way over.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

spaced must be lost somewhere in between - he has not heart nor no brains. in other words, he must be French!! go to the Eifel Tower and take a plunge dear Spaced - you know not what you are talking about. GD lyrics do not make one's life - if you think so, you are more lost that you even know. i feel sorry for you - please watch the news/cnn/msnbc or something and learn about the world around you rather than quoting Eyes or some other utopian claptrack - that is not the world we live in.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 15, 2006 1:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads sad?

the afternoon of 9/11/01 this statement was spoken on news television by an ordinary American citizen on the street;

"It is sad to know that we have allowed ourselves to become so hated by the rest of the world."

notice that sides are not taken, nor reasons identified,
just regret for not putting more effort towards preventing so many misunderstandings

best wishes and heal quickly

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 15, 2006 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

Freedom is the ability to listen to the Dead or Rush Limbaugh on your XM radio. Now, how can that not be the greatest country in the world, I ask you.

With regrets to Al Franken.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 10:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at God for giving Muslims oil?

>>>Freedom is the ability to listen to the Dead or Rush Limbaugh on your XM radio. Now, how can that not be the greatest country in the world>>>

Listening is great, but it's a narrow range of freedom in town "ever since they tore the jukebox down" -- We can do much better.

Would the greatest country in the world continually commit crimes against humanity, even their own troops? Why a costly war based on false pretense where killing innocents creates rage? Why deny climate change and block alternative energy? And surely there's a place where the Rainbow Family can meet in peace.

Does the greatest country perpetrate systematic torture even though it doesn't yield useful intelligence (see the latest work of Alfred McCoy). If you notice, I'm trying to back up statements with actual facts.

Take a look at "Beyond Treason: The U.S. Government’s Long History of Conducting Deadly Military Experiments." It's a documentary film documenting how the U.S. military has repeatedly conducted deadly medical experiments on American troops, “enemy” soldiers, and civilians. The film discusses vaccines, atomic bomb testing, Agent Orange, depleted uranium, and more.


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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 15, 2006 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at God for giving Muslims oil?

And please I'm not saying people can't change. I did, though, as you can tell, not enough.

The point is to aim high, or risk shooting a friend in the face!

We can all learn from Lee Atwater, GOP chairman and Karl Rove's teacher, who repented from dirty tricks (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater):

"Shortly before his death from a brain tumor he said he had converted to Catholicism and, in an act of repentance, issued a number of public and written apologies to individuals whom he had attacked during his political career, including Dukakis. In a letter to Tom Turnipseed dated June 28, 1990, he stated, "It is very important to me that I let you know that out of everything that has happened in my career, one of the low points remains the so called 'jumper cable' episode," adding, "my illness has taught me something about the nature of humanity, love, brotherhood and relationships that I never understood, and probably never would have. So, from that standpoint, there is some truth and good in everything." [2]

In a February 1991 article for Life Magazine, Atwater wrote:

My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring -- acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul."


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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

who ever mentioned being angry at God for giving arabs the oil. In actuality, we have more oil in the west than all of the middle east combined. Unfortunately, it is shale oil and currently very difficult to remove from the shale. However, at this point, the extraction method currenlty available would keep gas prices where they are now. Quite a conundrum we are in.
Of course, if we suddenly stopped buying oil from the middle east, and relied on our shale and argentinian oil, that may disrupt the entire world economy, especially in the middle east - tough to do that with Saudi currently being our friend. Plus, that would put israel in a very difficult position for the obvious reasons that we would not need them anymore if we severley limited our middle east oil consumption.
By the way Spaced - my apologies for going off on you last night. Just kinda stressed with severly broken leg. Took out frustrations on you when you were only trying to add your opinion to the discussion. It is a very complex situation going on, and all of our thoughts are valid and important. I was wrong to take such a vitriolic approach to your thoughts. Was uncalled for.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

Dire! i thought you were being hacked on today,
Yeah, I have issues too. So-called peace demonstrators in SF pissing and dumping on people, gangs of hooded Hammas looking gentlemen intimidating people. But I too need to be more mellow I admit. Especially at a GD forum.
But some things set me off....reminds me of the CRAP I went thru at Travis Airforce base in '68. Thank gawd for hemp!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 14, 2006 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads mad at Israel?

yeah, i was supposed to be hacked on today. However, my orthopedist (whom i completely trust) felt that the healing was too far along to rebreak and pin etc etc. In one way good, in one way bad. Back in the full leg cast, but he is going to try and get me out of that after a couple of weeks to let my knee free. I have knee problems too and he doesn't want that to get worse. Oh well, docs know best. I was in the hospital, put under, andall, then i woke up to find out he didn't to the surgery - very weird and kina discouraging. Time will tell how things work out. Frustrated as hell, but as long as things work out in the long run - everything is cool.